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Andreus Ixiris
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Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:24:00 -
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Simple solution: stop being blue with enemy militia corporations. It makes no sense.
Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:51:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less.
That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.
Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:11:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:So tell me why half of the minmatar corps / alliances have had us at -10 for a long time just because of our roe?
That isn't allies / friends.
"Because Minmatar corporations aren't nice to me, it's OK to ally our organisation with an enemy!" That's a complete non-sequitur. At no point did I even mention the Minmatar corporations because they quite patently have nothing to do with this. Regardless of your out-of-game friendships with them (which I do not object to in the slightest - out-of-game, I have friends in the Amarr and Caldari militias and in various null-sec alliances that I otherwise despise), Wolfsbrigade are an enemy of the Gallente militia and are clearly marked as such. They were originally in the Caldari militia and engaged in active warfare against the forces and territory of the FDU - they're now in Amarr space, and in the Amarr militia, fighting for Amarr space, but that doesn't make them any less of an enemy. Allied militia may not appear as a blue, but off-enemy militia still appears as flashy-red.
The Amarr militia opposes the Gallente militia. Wolfsbrigade are a member of the Amarr militia. You are a member of the Gallente militia. You are blue with Wolfsbrigade. Ergo, you are allied with an enemy of the Gallente militia. This is a conflict of interest. The actions of corporations within the Minmatar militia are irrelevant.
Spin this any way you want, by defending Kamela from Minmatar occupation you were aiding and abetting an enemy of the militia you're a part of. Whether or not you were firing on blues is a matter of personal opinion, but the fact that your actions constitute a direct and glaring conflict of interest is not.
Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:15:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Have to disagree with this, if that what was intended then minnie and gals would be "purple" via game mechanics, Which they are not.
Allow me to stress: at no point did I mention the Minmatar.
Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:18:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Not being nice and setting us -10 is 2 different things,
They have us at -10 therefore are they not classing us as enemies even tho we were happy to be blue?
Can't hav it both ways.
You aren't even listening to what I'm saying. This isn't about the Minmatar. This is about you being blue with a known enemy of the Federation. The actions of the Minmatar are irrelevant.
Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:39:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:You are not listening.
No! I'm listening to you! That's how I can tell you're not listening to me! Either you're trolling or you haven't read what I wrote properly.
Gallactica wrote:Half the minmatars have us set -10 and such kos?
Why the hell would we want to assist them?
You're not being asked to assist them. You're being asked not to assist someone who is demonstrably an enemy of the faction you've signed up with.
Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:16:00 -
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Lock out wrote: But we focused on saving Raka and Nenn because our friends from SLAPD and QCATS live there, not because some random rp reasons. We did the same for Kamela, tried (and succeded) to save a system where some friends live .
The difference is that SLAPD and QCATS are members of your militia, and Wolfsbrigade are members of an enemy of your militia.
Lock out wrote:I am not interested in having some CCP arbitrary mechanic telling me who my friends and my enemies should be
Then here's some advice for you: don't play factional warfare. An arbitrary CCP mechanic telling you who your friends and enemies should be is the price you pay for being a member of it. Even then, it only tells you who your allies and enemies should be, not who they are. I never said your actions were somehow against the spirit of the game or "illegal", but they're certainly counterproductive and irksome.
Mane 614
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